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  Even when you're right - it's still possible to make bad arguments.

  by Coded Logic in

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  during heated debates people - who are normaly quite rational - often start employing bad reasoning.

  it's important that when we're emotionaly invested in a topic we don't let our feelings destroy our ability to put forth valid arguments.

  the best way to bring people to our side of a debate is by using good logic.

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  There are only two places that an arguement can be wrong. Either the premises used to support a conclusion are not true - or the conclusion does not follow from the premises.

  That's it. That's the only two places you need look when addressing a claim. Once you understand this basic prinicple of logic it makes seeing the logical fallacies of politicians, and everyone else, infinitely easier.

  To your point Phizzy, the only time someone could make a "good argument when they're wrong" is if we were operating under false premises that we believed to be true. Though, once the premise was discovered to be false or not supportable, the wrong argument would cease to be a "good" argument.
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  Even when you're right - it's still possible to make bad arguments.

  by Coded Logic in

  1. social
  2. current

  during heated debates people - who are normaly quite rational - often start employing bad reasoning.

  it's important that when we're emotionaly invested in a topic we don't let our feelings destroy our ability to put forth valid arguments.

  the best way to bring people to our side of a debate is by using good logic.

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  It's a fundamental difficulty in epistomology, being right and being wrong feels exactly the same - because we only hold positions that we believe to be true. It's only when we realize we are wrong that we feel embarasment or disapointment.
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  Before the Big Bang.....

  by snare&racket in

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  watch the world's greatest physicists discuss the questions, the physics, the math, the ideas being tested about the formation of the universe..... .

  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n2wh179kos0.

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  Just about everything about our modern world is "beyond our limited thought process."

  That's why we use and build tools. Like mathamatics, phsyics, quantum mechanics, scientific method, etc. And as we build new tools - those new tools help us build even better tools. So long as we can continue building better tools there's nothing in principle that would be beyond our reach. We've built computers that do trillions of calculations per second. And who knows, maybe in the furture we'll start making smarter people.
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  Even when you're right - it's still possible to make bad arguments.

  by Coded Logic in

  1. social
  2. current

  during heated debates people - who are normaly quite rational - often start employing bad reasoning.

  it's important that when we're emotionaly invested in a topic we don't let our feelings destroy our ability to put forth valid arguments.

  the best way to bring people to our side of a debate is by using good logic.

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  Coded Logic

  During heated debates people - who are normaly quite rational - often start employing bad reasoning. It's important that when we're emotionaly invested in a topic we don't let our feelings destroy our ability to put forth valid arguments. The best way to bring people to our side of a debate is by using good logic. Hopefully, shinning light on some fallacies will arm you for the future. Here's just a few I've spotted recently:

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  Darren Wilson hasn't been indicted - therefore Brown was lawfully shot by the officer

  (Tautology rhetoric - a self-reinforcing pretense) This arguement precludes the possibility that a person can do something unlawful and simultaneously not be indicted.

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  Some people looted a store in Furguson - therefore the Hands Up Don't Shoot movement is a farce

  (Biased Sample - drawing conclusions about a group of people from a non-representive sample) Just becasue some, if any, of the people involved in this movement looted a store it does not follow the movement is a farce.

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  Michael Brown robbed a convenience store - therefore we should not support his right to life

  (Non Sequitur - presenting evidence that is irrelevant to the conclusion) We still support peoples right to life regardless if they have or haven't robbed convenience stores.

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  Creationist Should Dismiss Genesis Quickly

  by Coded Logic in

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  chris tann,.

  in your earlier post you seemed to be under the impression that genesis and science were somehow compatible .

  however, the truth is the two are not reconcilable at all.

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  "Something from nothing" is still totally absurd when one really contemplates it.

  -Apognophos

  It's not absurd. It's merely counter-intuitive . . . just like every other part of quantum mechanics. I recommend you familiarize yourself with the Casimir Effect. Just because some aspect of our universe isn't readily comprehensible to the mind of a layman doesn't mean that it's therefore absurd. And it certainly doesn't give you license to put forth the arguement, "well this one aspect of reality seems absurd to me - so I can postulate whatever absurd thing I like."

  There's a reason science uses reason and evidence. Because our intuitions are tuned only to the scale at which we live. Things going on at scales very small and very large are alien to the hueristic models we use in our everyday lives.

  But is it more absurd than the idea that a self-making universe produced intelligent beings who can in turn create things? Either way you are looking at intelligence forming from nothing.

  Fallacy of false equivication. Starting out with an all powerful creator is NOT the same as a finite intelligence that has slowly formed over billions of years of evolution. Human intelligence has come about by a naturalistic process. There is no such method for Gods to come into existence.
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  Before the Big Bang.....

  by snare&racket in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  watch the world's greatest physicists discuss the questions, the physics, the math, the ideas being tested about the formation of the universe..... .

  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n2wh179kos0.

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  Who could deny the existence of factors beyond our comprehension?

  This question is framed backwards, the real question is who could ACCEPT the existence of factors beyond our comprehension? We can only address the known and the knowable. We can't know an unknowable or even know if an unknowable exists - so why worry about it?
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  Proof and Evidence

  by Coded Logic in

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  we can't explain something - therefore god.

  checkmate atheist!.

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  "Anything that can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."

  Touchdown!

  "Having no good reason to believe something is at least one good reason not to believe it."

  And the crowd goes wild!

  (I think I just debunked myself)
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  Reject "worldly" fantasies, pursue Kingdom "realities"!!!

  by DATA-DOG in

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  have you had the pleasure of hearing this doozy??

  i believe it was presented at the circuit level first, it has filtered it's way down.. the poor eldub opens with this definition of the word fantasize:.

  "to conceive fanciful or extravagant notions, ideas, suppositions, ect.

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  This sort of stuff always cracks me up. They believe in talking snakes and guys surviving inside a giant fish for three days but then turn around and say things like, "evolution is a myth"

  The ironic taste of hypocrisy.
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  Proof and Evidence

  by Coded Logic in

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  we can't explain something - therefore god.

  checkmate atheist!.

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  I thought it would be evident my OP was a satrization of theist always trying to shift the BOP. Ah well, silly me . . .
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  Creationist Should Dismiss Genesis Quickly

  by Coded Logic in

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  2. beliefs

  chris tann,.

  in your earlier post you seemed to be under the impression that genesis and science were somehow compatible .

  however, the truth is the two are not reconcilable at all.

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  then there is not necessarily a significant difference in complexity between a creator+universe and a universe alone.

  I'm not sure why you're not getting this. Perhaps putting your premises into formal logical terms will explain it better for you

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  P1: Our universe (x) is complex

  P2: A creator (y) would have some kind of complexity

  C: Our universe plus a creator would be more complex than our universe alone (x+y>x)

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  Let's try another version (remember these premises are your statments):

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  P1: Complexity requires a creator

  P2: Creators are complex

  C: All creators require a creator (infinite digression)

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  These conclusions follow from your premises. And it's not hard to see why adding a creator only makes the problem worse. It doesn't by any stretch of the imagination solve the problem of where our universe came from.